Base gotenks (pre rosat) vs Majin vegeta.

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Base gotenks (pre rosat) vs Majin vegeta.
Tweet Topic Started: Jun 2 2018, 01:51 PM (1,344 Views)
Lord Frieza	Jun 2 2018, 01:51 PM Post #1
Posts: 265 Group: Member Member #13,600 Joined: October 30, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball,dragon ball z,dragon ball super What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon ball	Who win?



GreatSaiyaman123	Jun 2 2018, 02:32 PM Post #2
Posts: 129 Group: Member Member #13,947 Joined: July 15, 2017 Gender Male Country Brazil	Gotenks stomps with ease.



+ Son-Goku	Jun 2 2018, 02:35 PM Post #3
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	Vegeta is taking this rather easily.
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Vertical	Jun 2 2018, 02:46 PM Post #4
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	Trunks/Goten both saw Vegeta get destroyed by Buu but Gotenks believes he stands a chance. Krillin/Yamcha give Gotenks the benefit of the doubt, also knowing how powerful Vegeta was when he failed. Gotenks survives his encouter with Buu, Vegeta did not. Piccolo does not believe they're strong enough to defeat Buu. Krillin/Yamcha [want to] believe they might be. Gotenks has no doubts. If Gotenks was anywhere near Vegeta their reactions/conclusions would make no sense. Seems pretty clear to me: Buu > Gotenks > Vegeta ...Gotenks loses because he's an idiot... even though he has a clear advantage in power.
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GreatSaiyaman123	Jun 2 2018, 02:51 PM Post #5
Posts: 129 Group: Member Member #13,947 Joined: July 15, 2017 Gender Male Country Brazil	Nah i don't think the boy would lose. He's too far above Vegeta to mess this up.



Vance	Jun 2 2018, 03:30 PM Post #6
Posts: 326 Group: Member Member #13,910 Joined: June 17, 2017	SSJ3 Goku ~ SSJ Gotenks (pre-ROSAT) ~ 4x Majin Vegeta ~ 50x Base Gotenks (pre-ROSAT) Gotenks gets curbstomped
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Thiln	Jun 2 2018, 03:34 PM Post #7
Posts: 2,481 Group: Member Member #12,166 Joined: March 23, 2015 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball, Attack on Titan What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Hokuto no Ken, Berserk, Dragon Ball, Rurouni Kenshin, Attack on Titan, Kuroshitsuji	Yeah, if you prefer to use the 50x multiplier still then there's no way Base Gotenks should be comparable to SSJ2 Majin Vegeta or even SSJ1. Maybe he's stronger than a hypothetical Oozaru Majin Vegeta from the Buu arc. I personally have Base Gotenks, before training, being roughly comparable to Semi-Perfect Cell (could be wrong though).



Sam	Jun 2 2018, 03:45 PM Post #8
It takes a mere second for treasure to turn to trash. Posts: 24,391 Group: Community Admin Member #415 Joined: April 21, 2005 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z/Super, Hellsing Ultimate, Naruto/Shippuden, Death Note, Hunter x Hunter, FMA:B What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball/Z/Super, Naruto/Shippuden, One Piece, Hellsing, Death Note	Hm. I think I'd give a slight edge to Majin Vegeta just based on combat experience. I think Gotenks would screw around too much, whereas Vegeta would be more likely to get serious (at some point) and likely wear them down. Though, it'd be quite close. I concur with Vertical, I think that while Gotenks has the raw power advantage, the rest of the fight is in Vegeta's corner.
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+ Six Trails	Jun 2 2018, 04:51 PM Post #9
Posts: 1,570 Group: Elite Member Member #11,764 Joined: October 23, 2014 Gender Not Specified Country United States	Nobody's reaction to Gotenks makes any sense anyway, since he's clearly far weaker than Boo and SS3 Goku (who everyone was under the impression couldn't beat Boo), so I don't really see a need to make him stronger than Vegeta. Krillin and Yamcha's statements are both based off of Gotenks' confidence rather than his power, so I don't take them to mean much either. For all we know, they could think he has a plan, like going Super Saiyan, since it wasn't established yet that Gotenks couldn't transform.



+ Pyrus	Jun 2 2018, 05:03 PM Post #10
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Gotenks gets stomped by android saga tier. He's not touching Vegeta.
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EMIYA	Jun 2 2018, 07:41 PM Post #11
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	Everyone: Whoa! Did you see how powerful SSj2 Goku and Vegeta were? But Vegeta got DESTROYED by Boo, there was no way any SSj2 tier character could ever beat that monster. did you see how powerful SSj3 Goku was? That was the strongest thing I've ever felt in my life!" Base Gotenks comes over weaker than Imperfect Cell Gotenks: I shall defeat Boo. Krillin: He's cocky but confident, he might win." This is the reason Zamasu wanted everyone dead, because everyone minus perhaps Piccolo (and if you don't go by the whole Post-Base Gotenks>Pre-SSJ Gotenks notion) even he, are stupid idiots. It's a lot easier and also more sensible to have Gotenks between SSJ2 Majin Vegeta and Fat Boo. There's more than enough room to fit him in and it helps recognize many aspects. For one, nobody is an idiot for thinking Gotenks is actually going to do anything, Gotenks is indeed powerful, he just so happens not to hit the necessarily level needed to beat Boo. It's no different from Full Powered Perfect Cell. He too was deemed extremely powerful but though some were worried, he still couldn't stand up to SSj2 Kid Gohan at the time.



+ Clearin	Jun 3 2018, 02:14 AM Post #12
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Six Trails Jun 2 2018, 04:51 PM Nobody's reaction to Gotenks makes any sense anyway, since he's clearly far weaker than Boo and SS3 Goku (who everyone was under the impression couldn't beat Boo) Apparently the only fights Goten and Trunks saw were Super Saiyan 2 Goku and Vegeta. Ironically despite Goten/Trunks seeing Boo himself fight SSj3 Goku, he found it more appropriate to compare himself to SSj2 Goku and Vegeta than Boo Base Gotenks vs Boo is literally a gag. That doesn't necessarily mean he can't be stronger than SSj2 Vegeta, but it means I'm not going to look into Toriyama making a joke and try to deduce some kind of power logic from it.



Dankness Lava	Jun 3 2018, 02:19 AM Post #13
Dankness Forever Posts: 6,348 Group: Tha Dankness Member #9,197 Joined: March 16, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Hajime no Ippo What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Piece	I refuse to believe Gotenks is powerful enough. Not simply because he's a kid, but because I see no evidence pointing to him being that strong. Post rosat, sure, I could give it to him, but not beforehand.



Topographic Oceans	Jun 3 2018, 02:50 AM Post #14
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GreatSaiyaman123	Jun 3 2018, 03:42 AM Post #15
Posts: 129 Group: Member Member #13,947 Joined: July 15, 2017 Gender Male Country Brazil	For the people who believe Gotenks is powerless against Vegeta... That's the same logic of people who disregard Base Gotenks Post Rosat > SSJ Gotenks Pre Rosat because he couldn't budge Boo. He's not a match yet, but he's better than the fodder before him. I mean look at how Gotenks was portrayed: He fuses and everyone comemores that the fusion finally succeded. Gotenks then says he can definitely beat Boo. Sure, he's being an arrogant prick, but see what Trunks told Vegeta: Trunks: “N-no! We’ll fight too! You’ll be killed on your own, papa! We’ll definitely be able to defeat him if we 3 do it together!” Trunks (And Gotenks, since Gotenks is 50% Trunks) is well aware Vegeta can't do jack or s*** to Boo. To Gotenks be confident on beating Boo, yet be weaker than someone he admited to stand no chance against Boo, is pure hypocrisy. One might mention at time Goku was believed to be unable to beat Boo as well, but it wasn't a gap nowhere near as whooping as Boo's gap over Vegeta. It was actually debatable to the Z Fighters whether Goku had or not the power to defeat Boo, with Goku implying to Piccolo that he avoided going all out for the sake of giving the boys a shot. Piccolo responds to Gotenks saying that, albeit he got some incredible power, he's no match to Boo. Again, if he's weaker or comparable to Vegeta, why doesn't he compares him to Vegeta? Something like "Vegeta was as strong as/even stronger than you, and look how he ended!"? Instead, he praises Gotenks, calling him incredible. At last, we have Kuririn's coment. He says that Gotenks seemed confident and might pull it off. Most people believe Kuririn thought that Gotenks had a plan. But Vegeta also had a plan in mind when he told Piccolo to leave, and what Kuririn thought about that? In Kuririn's mind, both Gotenks and Vegeta had a plan but Vegeta is too weak to even be taken serious. I really can't tell if Gotenks's fight with Boo can be taken serious though. While him surviving would definitely imply he's stronger than any SSJ2, it would also imply he was close in power to Boo, as the only way he could possibly survive (Aside from being KO'd and Boo believing he died) was via outspeeding Boo. It's very possible for one to be faster than someone much stronger (See Burta and Ginyu), but Base Gotenks being faster than Boo certainly isn't implied, as Piccolo still wants to test SSJ Gotenks's speed, what is pointless if Base Gotenks himself were already faster.



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